It has not been a good week for the Church of England. This week, Andrew Brown revealed in the Guardian details of a memo written by Colin Slee in which he detailed some pretty unpleasant goings on at the highest levels in the Church. Colin died last year, soon after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Before he died he was Dean of Southwark Cathedral and had been part of the Crown Nominations Commission which selected the successor to Bishop Tom Butler as Bishop of Southwark.
This selection process hit the headlines when a leak from the CNC revealed that Jeffrey John, the gay Dean of St Albans Cathedral, was in the running for the job. At the time, it was reported that Rowan Williams was furious with the leak and blocked Jeffrey John's appointment.
The latest revelation was a memo written by Colin Slee as part of an internal Church of England enquiry into the first leak.
So we have the rather embarrassing situation of a leak enquiry producing a far more damaging leak than the one it was set up to investigate.
Good work.
As for what Colin Slee claimed and alleged, Mouse will allow you to read it for yourself. The bottom line is that he felt he was blamed for the original leak, which was wrong. The journalist involved, Jonathan Wynne-Jones from the Telegraph, has stated for the record that it wasn't Colin who leaked the details.
Following that Colin Slee claims that there were two horrible days of the CNC meeting during which the Archbishops were angry, bullied the other members and blocked Jeffrey John and Nick Holtam, Vicar of St Martin in the Fields, who is married to a divorcee.
There has been ample coverage of this already, noting some important points. Firstly, the double standards to which gay candidates seem to be treated during this selection process, asking a lot of detailed questions about their sexual past that would never be considered for a straight candidate. They also point out that a celibate gay man fully meets the criteria set out in "Issues in Human Sexuality", the CofE's "policy" on homosexuality in the clergy. Anything beyond that is outside the Church's formal policies.
Some have reacted angrily and accused Rowan Williams of betrayal and hypocrisy. Mouse hasn't heard anyone defend him yet, or the selection process under which this all took place.
Mouse has a few of things to add.
1. The process for selecting bishops is clearly broken. Mouse has pointed this out before, and is backed up by Colin Slee in his memo. At the end of the selection process, each member of the CNC is asked whether the process is fair. Colin says that this time he said "Well it was done according to the rules, but the whole system stinks". One of the reasons why this sort of thing is allowed to fester on is that it is going on in secret under a system designed for another age. Not many people argue for a democratic electoral system for selecting bishops, and Mouse has reservations about it, but the system must be reformed to give more transparency and accountability to those making the selections.
2. The current "rules" surrounding issues of sexuality are a total fudge and must be sorted out. Rowan Williams stated recently that there were absolutely no issues with gay people becoming bishops, as long as they complied with the celibacy rule. Indeed, we already have several. They just don't talk about it. However, if the candidate is open about his sexuality, then the "rules" which in themselves simply ask that they confirm they are celibate, seem to fly out of the window. The absurd list of reasons why you can block the selection of a gay person to bishop should be thrown out completely - it really is outrageous that someone could seriously suggest asking a candidate for the office of bishop whether they had repented of their past sexual sins. If this question were asked in virtually any other context, Mouse can't imagine what kind of answer would be given.
3. Someone should come to the defense of Rowan Williams, who has taken the brunt of many attacks this week. Colin Slee's memo doesn't make pretty reading, but there is quite a lot of context missing and we don't have accounts from anyone else there. His claims that the Archbishops were set on blocking both Jeffrey John and Nick Holtam are a little odd, particularly since Nick Holtam has subsequently become Bishop of Salisbury. Mouse's reaction when he heard that Jeffrey John was in the running for Southwark was that it would be a big step for someone who hadn't been a suffragan bishop to become diocesan bishop of one of the largest dioceses in the country. Perhaps Rowan had other reasons for taking the position he did than basing his decision purely on Jeffrey John's sexuality or Nick Holtam's wife's divorce.
Rowan's anger, even in Colin Slee's account, is not due to Jeffrey John or Nick Holtam being considered, but from the leak. It must be a very difficult position if you think someone in the room you are discussing these issues with is then briefing the press. Colin Slee seems to think that the leak most likely actually came from lawyers who Rowan Williams had consulted on the issue. However, that is pure guesswork, and wouldn't account for how subsequent leaks discussed issues "in the room", not just vague legal advice. Jonathan Wynne-Jones was able to report, accurately as we now know, that Rowan was angry and blocked the candidates. This couldn't have come from lawyers. Mouse reckons Colin Slee got that one wrong, and that Rowan's anger is understandable, even if is bad behaviour is not what we would expect.
4. There is a lot of talk at the moment of outing gay bishops. This is foolish. If you aren't aware, some bishops are gay. But we don't talk about it. Colin Coward from Changing Attitude has written about how he feels let down by these people, and is tempted to name some names. However, he shouldn't, and Mouse doesn't think he will. It would certainly bring the issue to a head if one or some of these people were to come out themselves, but it would also put them under a huge amount of personal pressure and would totally divert them from doing the job that they are actually there to do. Mouse does not condemn them for trying to get on with doing what God called them to do without seeking out the anger of a vocal wing of the Church.
These leaks are very damaging, and Mouse can only imagine how hard it is for Jeffrey John in particular to read about himself in this way.
But it is more damaging that the Church operates under these farcical and outdated rules and procedures.
Some have drawn the comparison with the way the Church of Scotland is taking this issue forward. After a pretty dignified debate, they are planning a report on the way forward. Whether that approach would work in the Church of England is anyone's guess. But what won't work for the good of the gospel is to go on fudging our way through these issues, and allowing this kind of secret war to go on under the surface.
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The Church of England has been trying for too long to 'keep a lid on it'. The Holy Spirit unsurprisingly finds this a claustrophobic position from which to operate and the 'lidded casserole' has now become a pressure cooker which looks in imminent danger of explosion. Colin Slee's posthumous hand grenade and the Anglican Covenant have ratcheted the situation up so many notches that it now seems untenable.
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Thanks Mouse- very balanced summary
ReplyDeleteIMO a very fair and considered analysis - thanks, Mouse.
ReplyDeleteIf I may, what a delight to read an account of this event without the injected pathos and emotion of accounts elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteAs with all such things they are terrible and draw the worst attention to how flawed humans can be, even ones in authority. I an in no position to throw stones, so won't.
Let us hope that this particular lanced boil might precipitate some progress and healing. Prayers always for that.
Thanks for your account. It should be regarded as the best and most balanced, and I congratulate you for it (if I may presume so to do)
Why should Bishops have to declare their sexuality to the world? What is it about this generation that demands every individual shout out their sexual preferences from the rooftop? If someone chooses their sexual identity to be "single", can't we just be happy with that? I don't consider my married status to be a big signpost saying "I like women", although I acknowledge that is how some perceive it.
ReplyDeleteAll clergy are asked to sign a form saying that they abide by the issues in human sexuality etc etc and will remain celibate if unmarried. Who they find sexually attractive is irrelevant if they conform to that with integrity. Sadly there is a culture amongst many gay clergy in the CofE of ignoring it (unless they are likely to be appointed to a senior position of course), but that doesn't mean we just assume that a clergyperson who is gay is automatically lacking integrity and actively engaging in a sexual relationship.
I was very upset to hear of the probing single ordinands has throughout selection, probing I did not receive as an engaged 21 year old man. If we sign the peace of paper, Surely that is that,unless we obviously and openly ignore our agreement
Thanks for this Mouse. I have resisted blogging on this issue so far as I have been so angered by the sheer vindictiveness of the invective poured out by the usual suspects.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest I've felt like jacking the whole blogging/twitter thing in, so depressed have I been by how some have commented on this issue.
You have achieved a measure of considered comment I have been unable to muster.
Lay Anglicana, so pleased you know what the Holy Spirit thinks about all this because I was coming to a very different conclusion.
"the double standards to which gay candidates seem to be treated during this selection process, asking a lot of detailed questions about their sexual past that would never be considered for a straight candidate."
ReplyDeleteMouse, this seems a strange assertion considering that the other half of this whole row is about how detailed questions were asked about the past of the wife of the presumably straight Holtam.
Peter - good point, although Nick Holtam is now a bishop.
ReplyDelete@Tiffer, I'd suggest that it is in part having to sign that piece of paper that elevates the sexuality issue to a place of artificial prominence. "Issues" is in itself a deeply flawed document that reveals the lack of a real consensus -- and yet has become a kind of shibboleth or entry-visa for ordination, and, as you note, forming part of a complex of disregard and at its worst hypocrisy. I rejoice that in my branch of Anglicanism the more generous affirmation and expectation is to "live one's life in conformity to the Gospel." A high standard indeed, but one that does not artificially highlight one aspect of personal morality -- and arguably the least relevant for ministry.
ReplyDelete@Church Mouse: thank you for this sane and balanced account. Good luck with revisions to the appointment process.
Thanks Mouse for a judicious take. I also have a great deal of sympathy with Phil's comment above.
ReplyDeleteMouse's sympathy with closeted bishops rather depends on Mouse knowing that they are doing God's will and that they are not among those who work against civil lgbt rights in the House of Lords or in the church.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I think what upset people more that the Archbishops' astonishing behaviour a meeting is the fact that they have sought legal advice on how they can make sure that no openly gay man ever becomes bishop. To me, that is the most damaging revelation.
Erika - sounds like you're making an assumption about motives there. Rowan would have known that John's nomination would generate debate at the CNC, so being equipped with the legal position is very sensible. You are assuming that this was for the purpose of finding ways to block, but this may not have been the case.
ReplyDeleteMouse- I agree, Rowan could have wanted to be sensible. And having discovered that it is possible to have a legal argument against a gay bishop, he then made 3 people cry in an attempt to gently convince the meeting that Jeffrey John would not be a good choice. All possible. But you're right, it is not my assumption.
ReplyDeleteThe real underlying problem of it all is found in your other sentence: "If you aren't aware, some bishops are gay. But we don't talk about it."
Because that makes it sound as though some people chose, for their own quirky reasons, to remain the closet and we were too polite or too tolerant to mention it.
Whereas where they really are is in a prison that we have created for them, in which they know that if they ever told the truth their careers would be over and their reputations destroyed. And if they had told the truth from the outset, they would never have been in their current jobs in the first place.
Can you imagine having to spend your life pretending that you weren't married? Because if people discovered you had a wife, you'd lose your job? Can you imagine being told that your single bishop has been married for 35 years but didn't feel it appropriate to tell anyone about it? Would you believe that man was well adjusted?
That is what we are doing to people. We're not being tolerant of some quirky behaviour but we are imprisoning people in lives that are hugely psychologically damaging. And we're then saying "it's ok, you can stay in that prison, we won't pry".
Unless we all recognise our collective responsibility here and deal with that, we will continue to have leaks about bizarre legal advice, people in tears, lives in tatters.
And it will be our fault too.
The other thing about +Rowan turning up to the meeting with pre-prepared legal advice is that - as Colin's Memo points out - in seeking such advice he broke the confidentiality of the process. And then got into a rage about the fact that confidentiality had been broken...
ReplyDelete'Not many people argue for a democratic electoral system for selecting bishops'.
ReplyDeleteWell, not many people in England, maybe. The vast majority of the Anglican Communion does in fact elect its bishops democratically, and I don't think it can be clearly demonstrated that the bishops we get are less qualified and less competent than the ones in the C of E.
The vast majority of the Anglican Communion does in fact elect its bishops democratically
ReplyDeleteMisleading.
There are elections, but only in a very loose sense could they be called democratic.
(cf. General Synod elections in the Church of England.)
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ReplyDeleteA very balanced report, unlike my emotional response - thank-you, and thanks for the link. I do see far too much bullying in the church hierarchy, especially since I have engaged with the Covenant. I have been shocked, and the Colin Slee memo didn't surprise me in the slightest - just confirmed all the things people email me in confidence. It needs sorting out, Mouse, it really does.
Seconding Erika's comments, I think the problem is that so many people seem to feel the need for "closets" in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIn defense of Colin Coward's position, someone over here (I forget who) once said that everyone is entitled to their own closet, but no one is entitled to use it as a sniper's nest. I think those who actively work against the welfare of their own kind are fair game.
Excellent and indeed very fair minded reflections on these issues.
There are elections, but only in a very loose sense could they be called democratic.
ReplyDeleteI have taken part in five episcopal elections in the Anglican Church of Canada and I can assure you they were entirely democratic.
Counterlight, that would be Cr. Louie Crew.
ReplyDeleteTim, the US election process is also democratic to every extent possible. I recall explaining this to a Nigerian priest who worked with me in my parish, when he asked, "Why did you appoint Gene Robinson?" After a lenghty explanation of the lengthy process that involves every parish in the electing diocese, and every diocesan bishop and the representatives of every diocese, he said, "So what's the problem, then?!"
It would be helpful if, instead of asserting that election processes in particular places are democratic, commenters would describe those processes (in outline at least) so that we can have a clearer picture of how democratic they are.
ReplyDeleteMy impression is that most election processes in the Anglican Communion involve electoral colleges, which in a secular context would be regarded as somewhat undemocratic.
At the last election in the Diocese of Edmonton, nominations were solicited from the Diocese and profiles of the seven candidates were sent to all synod delegates. These synod delegates had been elected from all the parishes in the Diocese according to a formula based on the size of the parishes, along with all clergy in the diocese holding a licence. On the day of the electoral synod balloting continued until one of the candidates got an overall majority. If memory serves me correctly it took four or five ballots for this to happen.
ReplyDeleteSir Watkin, in the US bishops are elected by a true plebiscite of all the clergy, and by a representative delegation from all parishes. The election is ratified by all diocesan bishops -- another plebiscite of that order and ministry -- and by the clergy and lay representatives of all dioceses. Thus I agree it is not a pure democracy, but it is far more democratic than a decision made in a room by a relatively small body of representatives, with no full participation by any particular population.
ReplyDeleteErika - my reading of the memo seemed to indicate that the tears were shed at the way Rowan shouted at them, and implied that this was around the leak, rather than because of his use of legal advice. However, since none of us were there and the account is far from clear, we are only guessing.
ReplyDeleteAs for elections, thanks for all the contributions from the US and Canada. I would love to see this debate develop.
Thus I agree it is not a pure democracy
ReplyDeleteThat was precisely my point.
(And none other. Such systems may be more just, more effective, indeed highly admirable; they may well be "more democratic", but to describe them simply as "democratic" without any qualification is misleading, especially to those outside the church, when in a secular context direct election on a one-person-one-vote basis is the touchstone of democracy.)
Some commenters seem to be implying that we have Bishops currently engaged in active sexual relationships with people of the same gender in the church of England. Does anyone know this to be the case? I have heard many say the opposite, that all Bishops who happen to be gay are celibate. Are we just assuming such an idea is naive?
ReplyDeleteIt is a well known 'secret' that there are several non-celibate bishops. Colin Slee mentioned it in his memo and Colin Coward mentioned it on the Sunday Programme. Personally, I am fairly certain it is true.
ReplyDeleteSir W., do people really have such a narrow understanding of "democracy" in this day and age? Americans generally think of their government as a "democracy" when by your more stringent definition it is of course a republic, and is representative through and through except in those few places where a town hall meeting is the governing body. We do have direct elections in some places. I think most people in the US, churched or not, consider this to be "democracy" and would be a bit surprised to be told that they were wrong.
ReplyDeleteBut as I note, the US Episcopal system is purely democratic at least on the clergy side of the equation, and given the close relationship of the bishop to the clergy, that seems a reasonable relationship. Was any bishop ever actually chosen by all of the Christians in the diocese? Even Ambrose was acclaimed only by those who bothered to come to the basilica.
Sir Watkin, earlier you wrote that "electoral colleges... in a secular context would be regarded as somewhat undemocratic". But what some would consider the epitome of a secular democratic election, that of the President of the USA, uses an electoral college. So by your standards I wonder if there is any such thing as democracy.
ReplyDeleteAnyway you still have to decide which persons qualify for one vote each. In national elections foreigners and minors are usually excluded and some others might be. What qualifications should be expected of those electing bishops? Baptism, perhaps, but any church's baptism has to count. Anyone on the electoral roll of any parish in the diocese, perhaps? As that is open to anyone (baptised in any way) resident in the diocese, the process could be very open to vote stuffing by pressure groups. There are no simple answers.
I would suggest myself that bishops should not be chosen democratically from below but selected by the existing bishops on the basis of their suitability for the post - more as senior managers are chosen in the business world, but also more as Jesus chose his apostles, Paul chose elders etc. But there is not space to develop this thought in a comment.
Indeed, Peter, I tend to agree with much of what you say, but that was not the point I was addressing.
ReplyDeleteThe example of the electoral college for electing the U.S. president is interesting if misleading.
The original intention as I understand it was deliberately not democratic: the electoral college was to act as a check on the more democratic elements of the Constitution. But with the advance of democratic ideals this laudable ideal became untenable and the system was modified, producing the present slightly clumsy two-stage election. As the results are as near as dammit the same as a direct election it doesn't really signify.
But, as I said, this is a misleading example. I'm not aware of any Anglican church/province where this system operates, viz. an electoral college mandated by a popular vote (no doubt because of the very cogent reasons you adduce).
Thank you, thank you, thank you! We can always count on Mouse for a balanced, sensible, forgiving yet firm approach. You've put my mind at rest... a little!
ReplyDeleteSir Watkin, in the election in Canada described above by Tim Chesterton the synod seems to have been acting as an electoral college. I suppose that the synod delegates were elected by church members at parish meetings similar to the C of E system, but then I could be wrong. Same issues then as with C of E General Synod elections.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile the US electoral college system does distort the democratic process by focusing attention on a few key swing states - a similar problem to that of the UK first past the post system in parliamentary elections.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'same issues as General Synod elections', Peter - please elaborate.
ReplyDeleteI know that being elected to General Synod in Canada is a very different proposition than in England, as our GS meets only once every three years. It seems to me that if you are a lay person wanting to be a GS member in England you have to be either retired, independently wealthy, or very generous with your holiday time.
Tim, my point was that in England the General Synod lay members for a diocese are elected by deanery synod lay members, and those deanery synod members are elected by annual church meetings - and it's often hard to find anyone to take on this generally very boring job. So the deanery synod members are acting as an electoral college. Sir Watkin alluded in an earlier comment to criticism of this process, and I think there is more about it elsewhere on this blog.
ReplyDeleteI thought from your description that Canadian bishops are elected by a local synod in a similar way. If that's not true please correct me.
As far as I know there are no dioceses in the Anglican Church of Canada which have deanery synods. Lay delegates to diocesan synods are elected at Annual General Meetings of congregations. Lay delegates to General Synod are elected from the diocesan synods. So yes, the diocesan synod members are an electoral college, as they are for episcopal elections.
ReplyDeleteFor anyone who has that kind of brain, the Canons of the Ecclesiastical PRovince of Rupert's Land (in which my diocese is located) are found here. The canon on the election of a bishop is canon IX, beginning on page 24.
ReplyDeleteWould it be not prudent in future to only consecrate 'out' gay bishops? As this surely is a much safer bet - than having people who are otherwise seen as deceitful? Further, it would appear to enhance the CofE to disaffected or otherwise disassociated peoples - giving the church some street credibility in the modern secular world!
ReplyDeleteIt is about time what ever branch or diocese or authority realised that the world in which they find themselves is increasingly tranaparent and people in any authority and in the public domaine - are viewed as 'public property.' This serves only as a shot across the bow!
This sums up very well why I have given up Christianity and why I will welcome any outing of these snivelling hypocrites who call themselves 'bishops'
ReplyDeleteVermin of the worst order.